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Alec Baldwin Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting: New Search Warrant Reveals First AD Didn’t Check Gun Properly On Day Halyna Hutchins Was Killed

The crew member responsible for overall safety on the set of Rust has admitted he didn’t properly check the gun that Alec Baldwin fired on October 21 and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. “Du…
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I thought the first rule about gun safety was to never even point a gun at anyone, no matter if you think it's loaded or not.
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Yes its the most common rule but when shooting a serie or movie it needs to be realistic so you point and shoot. What is weird is that real bullets where on set that is inexcusable to do.
 
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What I’d like to know is how anyone was able to miss that real bullets were on set and didn’t remove them.
 
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Yes its the most common rule but when shooting a serie or movie it needs to be realistic so you point and shoot. What is weird is that real bullets where on set that is inexcusable to do.
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Agreed. Apparently some of the crew would use the prop guns for plinking. If you ask me, after a scene is shot or filming is complete for the day the guns should be locked up with trigger locks in a gun safe. Also no live ammo,other than blanks should be allowed on set. This entire tragedy is complete failure of safety within the industry.
 
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It is very strange that live rounds somehow got 'mixed up' with blanks. I haven't looked into the tragedy too much but something does seem a bit off about it.
 
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I actually would fine with not having real guns used at all in movies. It's just not worth the risk. Especially not for any shitty film Alec Baldwin would make.

Im surprised they even still use real guns, considering the technology we have today.
 
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Led Zeppelin said:
deadline.com

Alec Baldwin Fatal ‘Rust’ Shooting: New Search Warrant Reveals First AD Didn’t Check Gun Properly On Day Halyna Hutchins Was Killed

The crew member responsible for overall safety on the set of Rust has admitted he didn’t properly check the gun that Alec Baldwin fired on October 21 and killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins. “Du…
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I thought the first rule about gun safety was to never even point a gun at anyone, no matter if you think it's loaded or not.
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You literally cannot follow gun safety rules 100% of the time in every situation prop gun or not. That is an impossibility. At some point in some circumstances you will have to.
 
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Yes its the most common rule but when shooting a serie or movie it needs to be realistic so you point and shoot. What is weird is that real bullets where on set that is inexcusable to do.
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According to one source I have read the police found 500 rounds of FMJs (range/training ammo) on set. FMJs and blanks loaded in the same box. There is a reason MTM makes varying boxes to reload ammunition with. Too bad the person in question was too stupid to follow common sense or best practices when it comes to firearms or ammunition more to the point.
 
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Akamia said:
What I’d like to know is how anyone was able to miss that real bullets were on set and didn’t remove them.
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That set supposedly had multiple problems with being cheap. One such problem was the production staff getting hotels and motels out of state where the production was happening in order to save money.

They didn't have a firearms wrangler/armorer or firearms expert on staff due to the budget. So the assistant director I believe was a stand in for one.
 
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Agreed. Apparently some of the crew would use the prop guns for plinking. If you ask me, after a scene is shot or filming is complete for the day the guns should be locked up with trigger locks in a gun safe. Also no live ammo,other than blanks should be allowed on set. This entire tragedy is complete failure of safety within the industry.
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I'm fine with going target shooting with actual firearms. The problem comes when you don't procedure and back and clean firearms. Some require that you pull the trigger in order to disassemble them. Every firearm is loaded until proven otherwise. Check chamber and clear. Apparently someone got very lazy.
 
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It is very strange that live rounds somehow got 'mixed up' with blanks. I haven't looked into the tragedy too much but something does seem a bit off about it.
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One source claims that Police found 500 FMJs on set. They were mixed in with the same set of reloading MTM cans as blanks. Someone got lazy.
 
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Too bad the person in question was too stupid to follow common sense or best practices when it comes to firearms or ammunition more to the point.
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Common sense was by not allowing real bullets on set. Do not know what procedures they followed but at least 3 safety checks should have been done the first when getting the bullets, second while loading and third when giving to the cast. Best would be if cast knew what to look for.
 
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You literally cannot follow gun safety rules 100% of the time in every situation prop gun or not. That is an impossibility. At some point in some circumstances you will have to.
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I still don't see why you would need to point a real gun at another person in order to make a movie.
 
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I suspect for Baldwin to not lying it would mean the action of the revolver is tired and has been fanned many times without being rebuilt.
 
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BoganUSAFFLClerk said:
I suspect for Baldwin to not lying it would mean the action of the revolver is tired and has been fanned many times without being rebuilt.
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Especially If they were using something like an remake of an old single action ball and cap percussion revolver, like the ones they used to sell in hunting magazines. I have heard conflicting reports of the actual type of gun they were using..
 
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So i guess thats the gun they were using. I sure as hell wouldn't carry a loaded one of these! Ive handled a couple of old remakes before. I remember the action on them felt kinda "ify" to me. Felt like if you cocked it and shook it hard enough it would fire. I think some of them are not built too well..

Maybe his finger was just a tiny bit on the trigger and he cocked it and it went off? You got to be careful with them single action revolvers...
 
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