Absolutey horrifying animal abuse

[Lallapalalable]

Graphic. I only made it halfway through, to where the guy says "I get going, its just like, ooh this feels good. I wanna keep fucking hitting them," so I dont know the full extent of what happens. The calf abuse is just soul crushing.

Not sure what there is to say about this that shouldn't already be obvious to children. The video itself isnt too old, at lest the upload on live leak was just under two years ago, so I hold it to be relevant and wish to raise awareness to the issue. Animal abuse is one thing, but you really have to have problems to do the things these men did, and it only makes it worse that this was were they worked.

Last warning, if you watch this you will be devastated.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=63e_1274914564

 

[Nom_de_Plume]

Wow, I only got through like 20 seconds of it and had to close the window.
I'm gobsmacked!!
I can't even imagine how anyone could treat anything this way, and this is coming from someone who owns and works in a slaughterhouse.
He's just hurting these animals for shits and giggles what a twisted fuck!

 

[Anachronous Rex]

Here is a wonderful example of evolution modifying an existing system rather than creating a novel one:
At some point in our evolutionary history, humans developed the capacity for moral disgust. Thing is, there is no such thing as a moral disgust center in the brain. So what did evolution do? It wired the emotion for moral disgust right into the center of the brain that handles physical disgust - namely the part of your brain that responds to smells like rotting flesh and feces.

For a quick demonstration of this, watch the above video. Notice how it makes you want to vomit?

It sure worked for me.

 

[Lallapalalable]

Interesting comment, Rex, especially enlightening when you consider people saying things like 'that makes me sick' when confronted with such cases.

A little update, the main star of the video was arrested and prosecuted over this footage, but his sentence was a slap-on-the-wrist four months in jail (faced up to three years). The dairy farm owner recieved no charges, possibly out of ignorance of the situation.

The sad part is while researching this I saw far worse cases of cattle and other animal abuse, but I believe this video is more than enough.

And welcome to the board, Nom de Plume, sorry this had to be our introduction :?

 

[tuxbox]

Interesting comment, Rex, especially enlightening when you consider people saying things like 'that makes me sick' when confronted with such cases.

A little update, the main star of the video was arrested and prosecuted over this footage, but his sentence was a slap-on-the-wrist four months in jail (faced up to three years). The dairy farm owner recieved no charges, possibly out of ignorance of the situation.

The sad part is while researching this I saw far worse cases of cattle and other animal abuse, but I believe this video is more than enough.

And welcome to the board, Nom de Plume, sorry this had to be our introduction :?

Yeah, I refuse to watch that video. Nothing gets me into a murderous mindset more than animal abuse. Animal abuse laws should be far more harsh.

 

[australopithecus]

Yeah, I refuse to watch that video. Nothing gets me into a murderous mindset more than animal abuse. Animal abuse laws should be far more harsh.

This.

 

[Nom_de_Plume]

And welcome to the board, Nom de Plume, sorry this had to be our introduction :?

Hey thanks,
I'm a big girl, I can take it ... (kinda) at least I'm able to close the window on stuff like that., when viewed online.
If I had have witnessed that in real life I'd be in jail right now for assault and possibly manslaughter.

In my line of work I've occasionally seen evidence of animal abuse and I've had no problem in the past calling the SPCA and initiating an investigation on a farmer.
I've also, on occasion, issued a very stern lecture to farmers who bring me obviously neglected animals.

Some people don't understand why I get so passionate about this (usually the farmer I've opened the can of whoop ass on) They're like, what's the big? you're going to kill it anyhow.
The difference is, I'm not going to put the boots to it first. I'm also not going to cause it to suffer.
It will be contentedly sitting there, then it will be dead. With as little time and hopefully as little awareness of any pain as possible.

 

[Dean]

Am I the one who managed to watch the video all the way through to the end with little emotional response? Perhaps this is because I am genetically predisposed of a mindset in which I rarely account for 'feelings'. I am not an emotionless robot incapable of human feeling, but I am not as in touch with my 'feelings' as some of you (non-autistics, i.e. neurotypicals) are. So perhaps I should factor this before I "suicide myself" in shame . . . but as it happens, similarly horrendous abuse happens , from the evidence I have gathered , on a daily, weekly, monthly . . . and more or less never-ending basis, as difficult as it may be to fully digest and accept (it was for me), and this is part of the reason why I am a vegetarian. The closest analogy I can give for the grim predicament of these creatures is a literal interpretation of the biblical hell.

I could quite easily and readily write an essay-length post on this. But instead, I will simply leave you with a video from YouTube. It's not quite as flagrantly and sadistically . . . powerful as the video presented in the opening post. Oddly however, it is still more than enough to make you shudder. This is what happens when outright abuse meets with battery farming, in this case of chickens. Chilling.



↑ Of course there's a reason they perform the strange procedure on the hens' beaks that you see in this video, but the reason is no less awful, and it shows what ends these people go to to prevent these animals from 'realizing' so to speak, this. The beaks are (wholly or partially) removed, such that they do not peck each other to death, because (apparently) their living conditions compel them to do so. If this isn't abuse, then what is?

 

[Nom_de_Plume]

No you're correct Dean, that's totally abuse as well, but worse than the sick fuck in the first video, which is more of a one off, wack job who gets charges pressed (although not enough in my opinion) The treatment of food animals (all types - Pigs, turkeys,chickens for both meat or eggs, cows) is accepted as ok and is done by nearly everyone in the industry. I've unfortunately seen this abuse and the result of it close up and personal. (so I didn't actually watch your video, I have a pretty good idea of what's in it)

This is exactly why I started farming and slaughtering my own animals (and do it for others as well)

If animals are given enough room and not treated as some sort of machine there is no need to cut beaks, toes, tails or any other procedure that is currently going on in factory farms.
here's a picture of my meat chickens living their life on my farm, (we processed these ones this past monday) If you've ever watched a video on how factory meat chickens are raised this picture is NOTHING like it.

 

[The Felonius Pope]

I didn't know you were a vegetarian, Dean. I'm one too.

 

[Dean]

I didn't know you were a vegetarian, Dean. I'm one too.

Yes, indeed. I am not generally one to impose my views onto others, but frankly, this is one of the very few subjects that I would actually describe as "close to my heart", i.e. of significant importance to me. Some of the discussions on this topic (even in some old threads on this forum), have literally shocked me. . . human beings do not need to eat meat either, to live. They can go perfectly well without it, and there's no real reason to be eating it (on ethical grounds). I've yet to see evidence suggesting that one requires meat to be healthy, you can gain protein from things other than animal flesh, among other things, etc. And as one person (I think it was Memeticemetic) once pointed out, it quite often seems that this discussion departs from ethical issues altogether--more often than not, and people fall back on frankly pathetic responses, such as 'it tastes so good', which has little to do with philosophy / ethics as well. . .

I've also been sickened by the hypocrisy of some individuals debating this topic, who are otherwise fairly intelligent and rational people . . . see this is why people have such a juvenile response to arguments on vegetarianism, regardless of all their innate intelligence. It's because they're completely and utterly fucking incapable of thinking that anything outside of themselves could be important, so long as they get what THEY want. It's this disgusting disregard for objective thought that leads to dubious,and yes, sickening (in my opinion),states of mind, such as 'I don't give a fuck about the pigs, so long as I get my f'en bacon'. And to hear such sentiments from people who are supposed to have some intelligence is really rather scary. . . I should add that this is only my view, having overseen so many discussions of this on the internet, as well as IRL.

 

[Nom_de_Plume]

I didn't know you were a vegetarian, Dean. I'm one too.

Yes, indeed. I am not generally one to impose my views onto others, but frankly, this is one of the very few subjects that I would actually describe as "close to my heart", i.e. of significant importance to me. Some of the discussions on this topic (even in some old threads on this forum), have literally shocked me. . . human beings do not need to eat meat either, to live. They can go perfectly well without it, and there's no real reason to be eating it (on ethical grounds). I've yet to see evidence suggesting that one requires meat to be healthy, you can gain protein from things other than animal flesh, among other things, etc. And as one person (I think it was Memeticemetic) once pointed out, it quite often seems that this discussion departs from ethical issues altogether--more often than not, and people fall back on frankly pathetic responses, such as 'it tastes so good', which has little to do with philosophy / ethics as well. . .

I've also been sickened by the hypocrisy of some individuals debating this topic, who are otherwise fairly intelligent and rational people . . . see this is why people have such a juvenile response to arguments on vegetarianism, regardless of all their innate intelligence. It's because they're completely and utterly fucking incapable of thinking that anything outside of themselves could be important, so long as they get what THEY want. It's this disgusting disregard for objective thought that leads to dubious,and yes, sickening (in my opinion),states of mind, such as 'I don't give a fuck about the pigs, so long as I get my f'en bacon'. And to hear such sentiments from people who are supposed to have some intelligence is really rather scary. . . I should add that this is only my view, having overseen so many discussions of this on the internet, as well as IRL.

Woah, wait, you mean some people argue with you over what you choose/choose not to eat?
How is what you eat anyone's business?

 

[Dean]

Well . . . that does occur, yes. And perhaps it isn't their business. But to be honest, I don't mind people asking questions. It seems quite natural for people to ask questions, when my position is (obviously) outside of the norm.

 

[Nom_de_Plume]

Well . . . that does occur, yes. And perhaps it isn't their business. But to be honest, I don't mind people asking questions. It seems quite natural for people to ask questions, when my position is (obviously) outside of the norm.

Ah, ok. I guess I'm just used to people having a variety of dietary requirements here.
I don't really blink at someone saying they eat only halal, vegan, kosher, diabetic, vegetarian..... really anything due to alergies or what have you.
As long as they let me know before they attend one of my dinner parties so I can accommodate that, I'm good.
The only time I'll ever mention (and that's only to friends) someone's eating preference is if I can see that they're looking ill due to that choice.

 

[Lallapalalable]

[Personal statement on subject]

I'm all for eating meat. It's delicious, filling, and preparing it is a joy all to itself. I am aware that humans do not need meat in their diet to live and be healthy, and that a meat free world would mean far less animal suffering, but the consumption of meat should not be stigmatized. So long as the animal is kept healthy and relatively comfortable during its life, and is killed in a humane manner, I see nothing wrong with raising an animal to be slaughtered. In return for its life, it is given free sustenance and shelter, as well as protection from natural predators it would face in the wild. In fact, the well treated meat stock of more rural areas live in stupid bliss until the end of their life comes, a concept they aren't even capable of comprehending and would occur anyway. Then there are the animals that are kept for their byproducts, such as eggs and dairy. They live full lives in the same fat happy bliss in return only for their natural productions. I see it as a symbiotic relationship, and considering our status as the superior species we need to make sure it stays fair.

Unfortunately, not everyone lives in easy access to this kind of farming, and many eat processed meats and products that come from mass facilities like above. Perhaps some are run well, and the animals don't exist in perpetual squalor and pain, but considering there are only 5 national brand food suppliers in the US, there has to be some major oversights and cost effective policies that just destroy these animals. They occupy 90 some percent of the food market, so even though there are ethical facilities out there, most of them probably don't give a damn about the welfare of the animals. As I said, in researching the video I produced I came across much worse, one of them being a mass dairy farm in the southwest keeping tens of thousands of cattle in pens too small for them to fully lie down, and when they got sick they were brutally killed as it was more cost effective to dispose of a dead cow and write off the milk they were no longer producing than to bring in a vet. I abhor this kind of practice, and found out what brands mass produce and boycott them, including all fast food and chain restaurants. I'm lucky enough to live where I do, and as a contrast to the above the meat animals in my area are very well kept and many stores buy locally. So, again, I don't find anything morally reprehensible about my diet choice, considering the options available to me.

I don't find anything wrong with vegetarian or vegan lifestyles, and hey, good for you! You care about something and doing something about it, however minor. While I do care about the welfare of the animals of these 'farms', and would love nothing more than to see the food industry be broken down into local zones with stringent care standards, this isn't my "Great Battle", and I have no interest in personally doing anything about it. My already limited time, energy and money are put towards other endeavors I support, and. To further put a downer on the situation, I do assume that is how the majority live, while you few are left to do what you can with what you have. Sad, but true.

If you're wondering at this point why I even bothered sharing this video if that's my opinion, it's that while I don't feel the need to do anything myself, I was still outraged by what I saw and figured if those who do care see it then they'll know what to do. Call me part of the problem but I'm a problem to the problem as well