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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    after thinking about it, i might have misunderstood your point, if by :" This is a perfect example of how broken you can become by being an Atheist. " you mean an Atheist will be capable of entertaining less confortable ideas, like not having a guardian angel that will make everything good in...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    Ty for adressing my points, and enlightening me. Also as you know nothing about me, this "twisted" logic might just be a resault of a mental illnes i have born with. Simply saying that you think my logic is broken, and it is coused by atheism simply just wont cut it. (just to clarify, i don't...
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    Neil de Grasse, Bill Gates, Mr.Spock, Bill Nye, Sir David Attenborough, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jesus Christ: What they have to say about God?

    i just like the idea of: Hey Atheists Jesus said there is God, you didn't thought about that one for sure. I don't think that many Atheist even believe in the existence of Jesus (or at least the Jesus described in the bible). And even if you got 1 000 000 people saying there is a Christian God...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I don't see how that disproves my point and not add to it.
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    rape is not, but the chance of being raped is. Also it is a great example that you can't guarantee that no unexpected terrible things will happen to a child during their life.
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I'm really sorry for you, but I still stand by my statement, if someone who won't remember, for example high or incredibly drunk, is raped then that is a disgusting crime too, it doesn't matter. Also being born lets you experience all those horrible things, the chance that someone might get...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I don't see why that same chemistry would work different in them, there is no reason to think they can't experience "stress", so far we know that more cortisone = more stress and vice versa. So I need some proof that babies can't experience stress, or for example pain when they are pushed out...
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    I want to know the truth

    To be honest deja Vu isn't explained by any afterlife either. It could be explained by time travel and visions of the future,( im not too creative to think of a third possibility), but neither of them require afterlife or God either. Even if we don't have or don't care about a scientific...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    sorry if i missed something but i don't see how it is relevant, could you tell me to what point was it a reply?
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    Also you say that a car can't be perfect, a human can't be perfect, a letter can't be perfect, a height of a human can't be perfect, a color can't be perfect. Then how can in your view any entity be perfect?
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I do think that perfect is subjective. having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be; absolute, complete. The desirable elements, qualities ... Different persons have different desires, so i don't see how could it be not subjective...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    Yes, if by sacrifice you mean like animal sacrifices as opposed to time in prayer or church or the sacraments or initiations or fasting or tithing etc? Yes in my opinion a material sacrifice is way bigger task for the followers then going to church every Sunday, for example if they sacrificed a...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    By saying he was created to serve us, i mean it from an outsiders point of view. By the Christian God i do not refer to the God of the bible, but to the one Christians i know believe in. The God of love, family, and everything cute, the one who forgives you whatever you did, all you need to do...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I forgot to point out that my statement above is only true if we speak from an absolutely Monotheistic standpoint. If we think in a way that GOD: good Devil: evil then that is an entirely different situation, as God could have a goal, and failing to achieve it would render him imperfect.
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I have been writing another lengthy response, but then i have been convinced about your right. I, as most religion thought that God exist in order to serve humanity, and not the other way around. (God: An all powerful being who grants your wishes, and forgives you even if you go against his...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I have been thinking for a lot about my answers, but i came to a simple conclusion. You have still not given your definition of perfect, and our differences are all based on the different definition we use. Based on your arguments it sounds like you argue that whatever attributes and...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I don't simply think a perfect entity should be perfect by my standards. I think a perfect entity should be perfect by all standards. And as you too pointed out, people have different standards. Some think it should be merciless some think it should be merciful. I argue that this is why i don't...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I agree that we went quite far from our original topic, so i will try to be brief when answering. But if we still cant come to an understanding i' m happy to continue on a new thread. There is 2 definition i would use for perfect: - free of fault -couldn't be better ( i don't like this...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    I think almost everyone who believes in a God believes that their God has similar morals and goals as them. If God would be neutral i don't see a reason for him to intervene. And the only time i have heard about an evil God was tough experiments to show their problems with a benevolent one...
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    Giving birth is worst then rape

    if God made caramel my favorite flavor, then I wouldn't be me anymore. (which might not be a problem for God)
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