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I don't see the central notion being largely different. Well, you entered the conversation and thread titled 'Are moral values objectively real' in order to take the affirmative. I'm not sure if I would rank it as consequentialist and think that when it comes to teleological ethics both...

Thank you Sparhafoc for that elaboration. Ok, so that's another misunderstanding. I thought, based on some of the language that you indeed did. No worries. Ah ok, that clarifies things. So I saw some of your comments as being judgemental and intellectually unfair, hence my later comment...

I'm not suggesting refocusing it, but I do think that there is value to be had in understanding our own nature (and what that means in more specific terms) in order to see the best solution, hence the Rorty comment. I am in agreement that we are natural, and not apart from nature, no matter...

psikhrangkur, maybe this will help explain where I'm coming from, here is how I see the potentiality-actuality issue. For Aristotle' he sees a world of profound order, an ordered universe. Now mind you, that means no more than what it is. Not that the order is indicative of something else...

It helps to define terms though, don't you agree? The question about what nature means is one that matters because it is a loaded word, especially in philosophy. So however you use it, asking for definitions is never suspect, and just the opposite actually as edifications are helpful. And it...

Sparhafoc, I read your post earlier in regards to your 'reboot.' I can see where you are coming from, and it appears I owe you an apology. I don't not understand what your reference was when you referenced the Latin name for the jellyfish. When I saw your reboot post, I looked it up and then...

Hi Dragan, So then when it first begins to exist during the division, and then once complete, it is formed. And you are saying at that point once the division is complete the form at that point is identical to the form at a later point when it is larger, the only difference being size, which...

Ok, but that still doesn't tell me if more cellular machinery is needed during this growth phase. Are you saying that the fly or the bacteria merely increase some other material, analogous almost to fat here? Cause that isn't the same as assembling machinery. But in any event, I think this...

Ok, my understanding is that there are 'more' of said structures built once the split has occurred. So I am not saying there are no ribosomes or mitochondria once the division is complete, but that as the cell grows from that point on, it does so by adding new machinery. If it didn't, how...

It is a new particular organism that is not its predicessor, nor the other bacteria that was copied. Is it not a new particular bacteria? Ok, so I am honestly not able to provide a source this 'second' but I'm 'fairly' sure, if I remember my bio, that there are structures that grow, each of...

Sparhafoc, you can psychologize anything any way you want, hence why it isn't fruitful to do so. It is impossible to have a conversation that constantly looks at motive, and goes off subject. I told you, I have meant no disrespect, but have tried to avoid going down this road, and I won't be...

I'm confused. If it still needs to erect such structures as necessary conditions for duplication, how is it complete? Fair. Yes, in the capacity. The functional capacity is a consequence of the form. Certain structures have certain capacities for action. That's what I'm saying. As for...

Sparhafoc, Well, I have some responses to your above criticisms, and I'd love to get into that stuff because you bring in some interesting points, but if you have no interest in being respectful ("slinging shit"), I'm not interested in engaging with you. I'll continue to talk with psikhrangkur.

Sparhafoc, I see you just posted some responses to the actual issues. I'll see if you have anything to say in regards to the 'second go' and anything else to that post, then I'll respond.

Sparhafoc, You claim I'm being evasive, yet my questions have been quite straightforward. 1. You wanted me to cite at least one example from the list. I did, it was number 7. You just said that you didn't mean it to be a "recapitulation" of what I said. Fair, but I also said somewhere in...

We should look into this, but my understanding is the bacteria will divide once it reaches a certain stage, and on its way to that stage it grows and growing involves the production of cellular machinery. Good question. 'What' did it actually duplicate? That's the million dollar question. My...

YES, I know... but I mean we could say look 'two arms two legs, torso, head, etc' and call it a day, without paying attention to the 'details' that you re doing here. See what I mean? If we take a general enough lens, the child is still a human, just the man or women is a human. But what...

Hi Dragan, I will address the stuff about bacteria in my other post after this one. let's examine what was actually written, with respect to the issue related to Sparhafoc shall we? If I am to be accused of doing some MI did, let us examine the facts. My original list of errors in its...

Ok, sure, it grows in size. But you could say the same of a child to adult human, right? I mean they 'grow in size' too, and their form remains 'the same' don't they? The bacteria still has to develop ribosomes, grow cytoplasms, etc. Just as with a human, it matures, albeit very rapidly by...

Sparhafoc you've completely descended into insults. As of yet, you have not given a criticism of what I've said that isn't based on a blatant misrepresentation of my words, even after my clarifications, and despite my attempts at being polite. You've grossly misinterpreted my motives and...