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thanks for saving me the bother hytegia :D

I did not mean the difference between someone who takes their child to church and willful neglect. What i meant was you accept indoctrination as a form of abuse regardless of intent and youve stated before that intention of the act matters, im just pointing out the contradiction. Since...

to laurens I agree that it is not comparable to rape and beatings but do you disagree that there are levels of abuse? that some cases of abuse are worse than others? One slap to the face is not as bad as a hour long beating but they are still both abuse. To dogmas demise "To present a particular...

- "In the beginning God created... the earth. ...and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters" (Genesis 1:1-2). So that God, - "laid out the earth above the waters" (Psalm 136:6). And, - "by the word of God the heavens were of old, and...

The definition of child abuse i gave the link to gave no mention to the intent of the abuser and rightly so in my opinion all that matters is the end result on the child. Also I checked in my girlfriends childcare textbooks and the definition given on the nspcc website is pretty much word for...

Laurens i apologise for the fact that i was editing my previous post while you were posting, I rephrased the question and raised a few more points. You raise some good points but I would argue that intention is irrelevant. A parent may have good intents when he beats his child black and blue, he...

. My second post was more specific in the aspects of faith and I also addressed the use of the word force which i will admit was poorly chosen. Im not going to specify one particular faith as the points i made in my second post are actually found in most religions. My opinion on this matter...

Re: The Stupidest thing a Conspiracy nut has ever said to yo I got about 5 minutes into that looked at the length of the video and thought sod that . Also on the subject of reincarnation one thing about every single claim to a past life ive heard strikes me as odd, they always seem to say they...

Forcing may be a poor choice of word perhaps, I suppose I should be more specific. This is probably more prevalent in the more fundamentalist end of the spectrum, threatening them with divine punishment of one kind or another if they do not ascribe to whatever faith it happens to be while they...

Does forcing religion onto children in their formative years take away their ability to make a informed dicision on the subject and does this constitute as abuse? I dont think my own opinion carrys much weight on this subject as I am not particuarly knowledgeable on the topic of child...

I find it amazing people can take this guy seriously. This little speech reeks of a fearful reaction to what he percieves as a threat to the loyalty of his dark disciples ;) . Just as his statement on his recent trip to britain, cant recall the exact wording but he basicaly said that athiesm...

.....ha :lol: i dont have a facebook acount because i dont actually like the majority of my friends and this would give them one more platform to bug me on

You managed to mantain your calm whilst conveying the passion you clearly feel which is not an easy thing. Many valid points which any reasonable person would find it very difficult to argue against, which means unreasonable people will sadly just ignore it.

I agree with what seems to be the consensus on the thread. Tf00t puts off people who may be receptive to the points hes trying to make by being a tads over the top. That said i see nothing wrong with criticizing any religion by pointing out valid flaws. If people are going to raise the subject...