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[THREAD SPLIT] - LQTBQ/Homosexuality/Etc

arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
Homosexuals are the most celebrated group of people in western society, with transexuals probably in a close second place.
Holy shit, you sound like you're as delusional as a Trumpster.
LGBTQ definitely have top tier victim cards. They can do things like compete in totally different classes which make sportsman like conduct unsportsmanlike and totally ridiculous concepts like a woman can stick their penis inside a man's vagina which by definition cannot happen literally. They warp reality time and space. That is how bad LGBTQ victimship cards are or I suppose for them how good they are. It is ridiculous and rightly so memed into oblivion.

By the way I voted for Trump twice. Definitely better than Biden. Biden is an incompetent asleep person.
 
arg-fallbackName="mechtheist"/>
And you don't suppose a GENERAL argument doesn't rely on GENERALITIES? I can think of more negative things that result from abnormalities than I can from normalcies.

If you want to narrow the argument go ahead but mine has been pretty vague.

Generally something that is out of the ordinary is not beneficial although not necessarily.

I think other people are failing to see this as well.
None of this makes sense. Since you think homosexuality is a choice, it's really not worth discussing these issues with you.

Anyone who would vote for either of those pieces of shit is severely lacking in judgement. Asimov did a great piece on the relativity of wrong. Biden is a typical evil pol but Trump is beyond the pale despicable. He wanted to stop testing for COVID almost from the start because so many folks kept coming up positive and he didn't like that. He actually said "If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” Wanting that putrid fuck back in power is utterly insane.
 
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What eyes look like has NOTHING to do with functionality of reproduction. None absolutely nothing. Therefore irrelevant.

Right and homosexuals can still have children. You admitted this in your last post. So it is therefore irrelevant.

Throughout history what do you think humans did? They had sexual intercourse to reproduce. Did a bunch of homosexuals bring up society? No they didn't because you literally couldn't reproduce if you entirely functioned on being a homosexual. I would have to argue if you claim to be a homosexual then you will remain a homosexual as an overwhelming majority as mental reactions to something you are not wired for would mostly prohibit it and I would suspect they are actually in fact bisexual.

I could make a joke about the Ancient Greeks here…

You keep failing to define normal human society and trying to imply that it only amounts to reproduction. Are you saying that you think normal human society is only about the creation of children? Because if that is the case, you are still wrong about this because, as you already agreed, homosexuals can and do have children.

The whole thing with LGBTQ is that these people are often very ambiguous and the majority of polled persons depending demographics claim bisexuality and not purely homosexuality.

Citation needed.

Are you going to ignore why they have higher suicide rates and pretend it has something to do with their nature? The funny thing is, you have identified something (suicide) that I would agree is harmful to normal human society. Yet, since you refuse to define it for us, we cannot move forward on that topic.
I have to define gays killing themselves in order to move forward are you serious?

Work on your reading comprehension. It appears evident to anyone who can read English that I ask you to define a normal human society. That thing you keep failing to define but keep implying has to do with reproduction.

Just because one CAN reproduce does NOT mean they will CHOOSE to reproduce. Just because you are capable of something doesn't mean you are likely of doing said something. Your premise is faulty.

So, because I have chosen not to have children means I am going against normal human society? Do you see why your definition is far too narrow and dumb yet? How about a person that was born infernal? Are they also not a part of normal human society?

Homosexuals would overwhelmingly choose to be homosexual as they already have chosen to be homosexual. I can't believe I have to outline this.

You realize that having a child does not negate being a homosexual, right? One can do both. Again, you are exposing your biases and shallow thinking on this topic.

Suicide is harmful correct? LGBTQ has among the largest suicide rate per their population than any other demographic I have seen. If something is harmful and as such to this degree then something so overwhelmingly negative or harmful is normal or abnormal would you think? Tick Tock Tick Tock.

So you are just going to ignore why they have such a high suicide rate and pretend it is a part of their nature. Well, you are just wrong on this topic, but what else is new? Not much you have been right about since you showed up on this forum.

You have already admitted that homos are abnormal. If something is abnormal then obviously it is NOT normal correct? Something abnormal is not part of normal by definition. You cannot have something be normal by incorporating abnormal items would you?

Yes, homosexuals are a minority group. However, I would disagree that they are not a part of normal human society because of that. Perhaps if you tried defining a normal human society you would also see that just because there are minority groups among it does not make them harmful. Otherwise, it just appears that you are arguing that minorities do not belong in a normal human society. But, of course, you are a bigot after all, so this could be the case.

So a normal courtyard for example wouldn't have something as ABNORMAL as a binary pulsar in it would it? How about something else that is strange such as a courtyard equipped with something by definition ABNORMAL? What if the courtyard was made of cheese? Would it be normal then because it incorporated the cheese into its make up as you suggest?

Correct, one could not have a binary pulsar in a courtyard. But that has far more to do with the nature of both of those things. I have also seen courtyards made of different kinds of food at various fairs I have been to. However, this is all beside the point that we can agree on what a courtyard is. It appears that you are trying to define a normal human society as just being about reproduction which I flat out disagree with, and homosexuals can and do have children. Thus, even this very bad analogy you have created fails at making its point.

Via implication of suggesting gays in society can make said society normal or that society doesn't become deviant due to homosexuality they do set those implications.

Who needs facts when you can just emote through life, am I right? Again, a citation is needed. But, again, you are just basing your original opinion on a different idea you hold.

I find it immensely more difficult. More and more people are out of shape and lazy. As a result all they want to do is watch something on T.V. on go on the internet. I have been ditched frequently when wanting to go outside for long term by people implicating themselves to be outdoorsman or have an interest with hiking and/or camping. In the 70s no such barriers existed. The scope and severity of people becoming unfit and/or lazy due to technology doesn't hold a candle to what it is today.

This statement honestly says far more about you and the people you interact with than it does about the ability to go out and explore. I have never had such a problem. Honestly, the last time I had to cancel a camping trip was at the beginning of the pandemic because the border was closing.

LGBTQ definitely have top tier victim cards. They can do things like compete in totally different classes which make sportsman like conduct unsportsmanlike and totally ridiculous concepts like a woman can stick their penis inside a man's vagina which by definition cannot happen literally. They warp reality time and space. That is how bad LGBTQ victimship cards are or I suppose for them how good they are. It is ridiculous and rightly so memed into oblivion.

Yeah, those poor victims whining about their predicament. It is not like a strong white man like you would go around complaining, am I right?

By the way I voted for Trump twice.

Yeah, we know you are not wise. However, you do not have to broadcast it.
 
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Asked for my account to be deleted, and was asked if I was sure.

I want to be certain that everybody sees this, so I'm tagging it here.

"Thought I'd check in on what's been going on on the forum, and it's as predicted, which is exactly why I made this request.

Yes, I'm certain.

A forum that allows the sort of bigotry that's been shown openly on the forum by the resident moron is not a welcome or safe place for the kind of people this place could be good for, and it certainly isn't safe for me.

Open racism and homophobia get a pass, while calling them out gets sanctions.

This is not the forum I joined, and I want no part of myself or anything I've ever written to be remotely associated with a safe haven for bigotry.

Kindly delete my account."
 
arg-fallbackName="Led Zeppelin"/>
A forum that allows the sort of bigotry that's been shown openly on the forum by the resident moron is not a welcome

Well if you are talking about me I will gladly take a ban instead of you leaving the forum. It just does not seem obvious to me that homosexuals are ostracized in western society.

The topic of suicide came up and I disagree with the idea that gays are commiting suicide because people/society is being mean to them. I think the human phsyche is a bit more complex then that. Look at mental illness rates among children born into wealthy families for example. Or suicide rate of people living in wealthy neighborhoods. It isnt obvious that they are what most would expect them to be.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
None of this makes sense. Since you think homosexuality is a choice, it's really not worth discussing these issues with you.
Where did I state this? Got proof there chief?
Anyone who would vote for either of those pieces of shit is severely lacking in judgement. Asimov did a great piece on the relativity of wrong. Biden is a typical evil pol but Trump is beyond the pale despicable. He wanted to stop testing for COVID almost from the start because so many folks kept coming up positive and he didn't like that. He actually said "If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” Wanting that putrid fuck back in power is utterly insane.
Trump is the reason why we have 1 Corona vaccine and why we had an even large supply of them at all. Biden didn't order the production and order of vaccines that would be Trump not Biden. Not wanting to test and just go get a vaccination or have vaccination available is better than being asleep and incompetent especially when we consider how he handled the pull out.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
Asked for my account to be deleted, and was asked if I was sure.

I want to be certain that everybody sees this, so I'm tagging it here.

"Thought I'd check in on what's been going on on the forum, and it's as predicted, which is exactly why I made this request.

Yes, I'm certain.

A forum that allows the sort of bigotry that's been shown openly on the forum by the resident moron is not a welcome or safe place for the kind of people this place could be good for, and it certainly isn't safe for me.

Open racism and homophobia get a pass, while calling them out gets sanctions.

This is not the forum I joined, and I want no part of myself or anything I've ever written to be remotely associated with a safe haven for bigotry.

Kindly delete my account."
So much for freedom of speech. How do you convey ideas if you are unwilling to risk offending people? It is simple you cannot.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
I could make a joke about the Ancient Greeks here…
Yes as in the ancient Greeks had enough normies in order to reproduce in order to keep the population stable. This means they had heterosexual reproduction as majority. Just because gay sex exists doesn't mean that is good or stabilizes the society in which it resides. It is almost like societies depend on heterosexual reproduction in your typical society in order to continue.
You keep failing to define normal human society and trying to imply that it only amounts to reproduction. Are you saying that you think normal human society is only about the creation of children? Because if that is the case, you are still wrong about this because, as you already agreed, homosexuals can and do have children.
If for example the ancient Greeks didn't have enough straights to reproduce then the Greek's society wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. Not existing and your society going away is a bad thing correct? Or is that a desired thing and normal to you?
Work on your reading comprehension. It appears evident to anyone who can read English that I ask you to define a normal human society. That thing you keep failing to define but keep implying has to do with reproduction.
Name a society in which heterosexual reproduction is not normal.
So, because I have chosen not to have children means I am going against normal human society? Do you see why your definition is far too narrow and dumb yet? How about a person that was born infernal? Are they also not a part of normal human society?
Yes you are in fact going against one of your purposes as the human type animal you are. The function of genitals are what exactly? What are the function of your teeth? To break up foods to be digested. If you don't use things that you definitionally require to commit to said action then you literally are not using them for their intended purpose. What are genitals functions? Reproduction.
You realize that having a child does not negate being a homosexual, right? One can do both. Again, you are exposing your biases and shallow thinking on this topic.
Bisexual not homosexual. "Bisexuality is romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior toward both males and females". By definition people that commit to both hetero and homosexuality are Bisexual.
So you are just going to ignore why they have such a high suicide rate and pretend it is a part of their nature. Well, you are just wrong on this topic, but what else is new? Not much you have been right about since you showed up on this forum.
If you don't reproduce you die out. If you fully commit to being homosexual as a principle then you die out. Is dying out good for society or a negative? And again even if you are homosexual and decide to have sex in regards to heterosexuality then that would make you a bisexual not a homosexual.
Yes, homosexuals are a minority group. However, I would disagree that they are not a part of normal human society because of that. Perhaps if you tried defining a normal human society you would also see that just because there are minority groups among it does not make them harmful. Otherwise, it just appears that you are arguing that minorities do not belong in a normal human society. But, of course, you are a bigot after all, so this could be the case.
That isn't my argument. Irrelevant. Faulty premise.
Correct, one could not have a binary pulsar in a courtyard. But that has far more to do with the nature of both of those things. I have also seen courtyards made of different kinds of food at various fairs I have been to. However, this is all beside the point that we can agree on what a courtyard is. It appears that you are trying to define a normal human society as just being about reproduction which I flat out disagree with, and homosexuals can and do have children. Thus, even this very bad analogy you have created fails at making its point.
"Just" - (meaning only) no. That is a faulty assumption on your part.

Fundamentally - yes.
Who needs facts when you can just emote through life, am I right? Again, a citation is needed. But, again, you are just basing your original opinion on a different idea you hold.
Which is perfectly fine. Societies ending is a bad thing that is my opinion apparently not held by others. LGBTQs are literally deviant by definition. If you add deviancy to society do you make the society more or less deviant? Just because people accept such things does not make it them normal necessarily and definitionally deviancy still contributes to the society.

Deviant: departing from usual or accepted standards, especially in social or sexual behavior.
"deviant behavior"
This statement honestly says far more about you and the people you interact with than it does about the ability to go out and explore. I have never had such a problem. Honestly, the last time I had to cancel a camping trip was at the beginning of the pandemic because the border was closing.
Ironic considering I had more people go out with me to go offroad or go shooting during the pandemic because in their home cities they were tired of putting up with Corona measures. But to go outside now locally doesn't make sense as the conditions are the same between the two.
Yeah, those poor victims whining about their predicament. It is not like a strong white man like you would go around complaining, am I right?
Ah but the difference is I don't get any of the benefits unlike them. That argument kind of backfired now didn't it.
Yeah, we know you are not wise. However, you do not have to broadcast it.
I like broadcasting it. Having access to a boat and guns and all the freedom to use all of those things with an advertisement of Trump really rubs people the wrong way which I divulge extreme satisfaction from.
 

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arg-fallbackName="mechtheist"/>
Where did I state this? Got proof there chief?

Trump is the reason why we have 1 Corona vaccine and why we had an even large supply of them at all. Biden didn't order the production and order of vaccines that would be Trump not Biden. Not wanting to test and just go get a vaccination or have vaccination available is better than being asleep and incompetent especially when we consider how he handled the pull out.
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Homosexuals would overwhelmingly choose to be homosexual as they already have chosen to be homosexual. I can't believe I have to outline this.

I held back before but I was getting kinda disgusted thinking about it. You've been disparaging gays who have killed themselves and using that as justification for smearing gays in general and that's despicable. Most gays who have resorted to suicide have not just been ostracized by society, they've very often been disowned by family, even thrown out of their homes. Usually it's hyper religious folks who condemn their own children, calling them all sorts of hateful things. They're made to feel their families hate them, their friends hate them, even god hates them and they're going to hell. And you have this horrible arrogance born of rather hateful ignorance to disparage them. It's exactly the tactics used by a lot of the religious freaks to justify their hate and attempts to use the law to punish and get rid of gays.

Defending Trump's handling of the epidemic is all we need to know about your thinking. Your posts are full of hateful ignorant bigotry, rather like Trump's speeches, no surprise there. Being a Trump supporter is a taint that won't ever wash away. You'll lie about it no doubt, but you'll know
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
I also said that gays derive their "choice" from environment which is not a deliberate choice. They are not making their choice conscientiously.
It is a choice that they make sub conscientiously. Their brain chooses for them.

Sorry I was unclear.

Clarification:
I never made the argument that gays make a conscious choice at being gay. People's brains decide things for them automatically all the time. I don't believe they consciously make the choice that they like dick/balls/vagina/ass whatever like you would make a choice of preference like choosing a soft drink.
I held back before but I was getting kinda disgusted thinking about it. You've been disparaging gays who have killed themselves and using that as justification for smearing gays in general and that's despicable. Most gays who have resorted to suicide have not just been ostracized by society, they've very often been disowned by family, even thrown out of their homes. Usually it's hyper religious folks who condemn their own children, calling them all sorts of hateful things. They're made to feel their families hate them, their friends hate them, even god hates them and they're going to hell. And you have this horrible arrogance born of rather hateful ignorance to disparage them. It's exactly the tactics used by a lot of the religious freaks to justify their hate and attempts to use the law to punish and get rid of gays.
People are hateful and judgement abounds that is human nature. I haven't said anything that is a smear. I have said things which are accurate:
1) LGBTQ are deviants by definition.
2) Such persons do kill themselves often in comparison to their population which again is abnormal just like their nature.
3) Their nature of being gay doesn't benefit society in terms of keeping a positive birth rate.

I have gay friends and they even agree with my general arguments above. I think people just need to grow a spine and stop being so damn sensitive and maybe they would kill themselves less - which is better.
Defending Trump's handling of the epidemic is all we need to know about your thinking.
Did Trump provide for corona vaccines? Yes yes he did.
Your posts are full of hateful ignorant bigotry, rather like Trump's speeches, no surprise there. Being a Trump supporter is a taint that won't ever wash away. You'll lie about it no doubt, but you'll know
I am not commenting out of hate. You would have to prove the accurate things I have said are "unreasonable" (to be bigotry) and if they are true things I don't see how you can even start an argument about determining what is reasonable or unreasonable based on accuracy what I have said - or rather typed.

Tis no taint it is a badge of honor. Lots of people already regret voting for Biden and his approval rating is sinking. 43% is kind of a joke when supposedly he was going to be the better candidate. Look how he has handled things under Political Correctness - ridiculous.

It means I have thick skin. I voted for Trump publicly twice because between him or Hillary is a no brainer considering I am in the U.S. and I work as an FFL clerk and firearms instructor. Ditto when you consider Trump vs Biden.
 
arg-fallbackName="*SD*"/>
This thread seems to have wandered a bit off topic. It's not really a big deal, but if Homosexuality/LGTBQ/etc etc IS now the topic, it might be a good idea for someone to start a new thread dedicated to such.
 
arg-fallbackName="Desertphile"/>
Did Trump provide for corona vaccines? Yes yes he did.
No no he did not. Recall that your fascist Glorious Leader insisted COVID2019 was a hoax, and that he refused to take measures to save human lives FOR OVER SEVEN WEEKS before agreeing that the global pandemic was real... after which he suggested to the CDC that they look into injecting people with disinfection fluids, subjecting victims to ultraviolet light, and insisting malaria drugs were better than vaccines which would eventually be funded and created. The fascist even insisted that the CDC was the enemy. (Recall when he urinated in his pants when visiting the CDC: it was a fine metaphor for his homicidal negligence.)

The first vaccine available in the USA for emergency use was Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19, issued December year 2020--- while your fascists' Glorious Leader was still insisting the CDC was lying to us, and all of the world's governments were in on the conspiracy. It was 12 months later, December 11, year 2021, when the first vaccine was approved by the federal government.

Your Glorious Leader hindered every effort to save human lives, and he did so for the reason all fascists in history did so. Harvard Medical estimated that 84% of USA deaths could have been avoided if the fascists were not in charge of the federal government.

It was the conservatives (Biden and others) who got the vaccines to everyone who wanted it, and socialized it.

I realize that you fascists need imaginary enemies to fear and therefore hate, but gosh: at least try to make it seem plausible.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
No no he did not. Recall that your fascist Glorious Leader insisted COVID2019 was a hoax, and that he refused to take measures to save human lives FOR OVER SEVEN WEEKS before agreeing that the global pandemic was real... after which he suggested to the CDC that they look into injecting people with disinfection fluids, subjecting victims to ultraviolet light, and insisting malaria drugs were better than vaccines which would eventually be funded and created. The fascist even insisted that the CDC was the enemy. (Recall when he urinated in his pants when visiting the CDC: it was a fine metaphor for his homicidal negligence.)

The first vaccine available in the USA for emergency use was Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19, issued December year 2020--- while your fascists' Glorious Leader was still insisting the CDC was lying to us, and all of the world's governments were in on the conspiracy. It was 12 months later, December 11, year 2021, when the first vaccine was approved by the federal government.

Your Glorious Leader hindered every effort to save human lives, and he did so for the reason all fascists in history did so. Harvard Medical estimated that 84% of USA deaths could have been avoided if the fascists were not in charge of the federal government.

It was the conservatives (Biden and others) who got the vaccines to everyone who wanted it, and socialized it.

I realize that you fascists need imaginary enemies to fear and therefore hate, but gosh: at least try to make it seem plausible.

Operation Warp Speed:
Operation Warp Speed was a public–private partnership initiated by the United States government to facilitate and accelerate the development, manufacturing, and distribution of COVID-19 vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostics.

Commander in Chief: Donald Trump; Joe Biden

You were saying?
 
arg-fallbackName="mechtheist"/>
I also said that gays derive their "choice" from environment which is not a deliberate choice. They are not making their choice conscientiously.
It is a choice that they make sub conscientiously. Their brain chooses for them.

Sorry I was unclear.

Clarification:
I never made the argument that gays make a conscious choice at being gay. People's brains decide things for them automatically all the time. I don't believe they consciously make the choice that they like dick/balls/vagina/ass whatever like you would make a choice of preference like choosing a soft drink.
You don't even realize how utterly muddled that all is do you? Or are you trying to demonstrate how free will is an illusion? It's a good way to do that, but what you're really sayin is it's NOT a choice, but in context, you're clearly implying it IS a choice:
Just because one CAN reproduce does NOT mean they will CHOOSE to reproduce. Just because you are capable of something doesn't mean you are likely of doing said something. Your premise is faulty.

Homosexuals would overwhelmingly choose to be homosexual as they already have chosen to be homosexual. I can't believe I have to outline this.
And I think it's wrong, a LOT of gays would want to have kids if they could. That might be something they decide later in life, like a lot of hetero couples, but no gay is going to 'decide' he's straight later in life. 'Sub conscientiously'? You get to choose whatever you want to choose, that's free will, but do you get to choose what you want?


People are hateful and judgement abounds that is human nature. I haven't said anything that is a smear. I have said things which are accurate:
1) LGBTQ are deviants by definition.
2) Such persons do kill themselves often in comparison to their population which again is abnormal just like their nature.
3) Their nature of being gay doesn't benefit society in terms of keeping a positive birth rate.

I have gay friends and they even agree with my general arguments above. I think people just need to grow a spine and stop being so damn sensitive and maybe they would kill themselves less - which is better.
Well, at least you admit you're a a hateful bigot, not many are so brazen as to say it so openly. But you ARE smearing gays. Remember when I said Einstein was a deviant and you replied "Generally something that is out of the ordinary is not beneficial although not necessarily." Einstein's intelligence was far more deviant than being gay. 'Deviant' is a loaded term, it exposes you're bigotry that you keep insisting on using it to describe gays when it would be more accurate to call mixed race marriages deviant since they're less common than homosexuality/ But then, you might object to mixed race marriages also. You're using 'deviant' and 'abnormal' to smear gays, unless you want to claim you go around describing anyone who is atypical in some way as abnormal and deviant.

Oh surprise surprise, you have gay friends, that makes it all OK, I'm SO sorry I objected to you're obvious bigotry. You keep digging the hole deeper. You can't imagine what some kids have gone through, and saying they should 'just grow a spine' and 'don't be so sensitive'? FFS, you couldn't be any more INsensitive, and ignorant, to spew such hateful heartless BS.


Did Trump provide for corona vaccines? Yes yes he did.

I am not commenting out of hate. You would have to prove the accurate things I have said are "unreasonable" (to be bigotry) and if they are true things I don't see how you can even start an argument about determining what is reasonable or unreasonable based on accuracy what I have said - or rather typed.

Tis no taint it is a badge of honor. Lots of people already regret voting for Biden and his approval rating is sinking. 43% is kind of a joke when supposedly he was going to be the better candidate. Look how he has handled things under Political Correctness - ridiculous.

It means I have thick skin. I voted for Trump publicly twice because between him or Hillary is a no brainer considering I am in the U.S. and I work as an FFL clerk and firearms instructor. Ditto when you consider Trump vs Biden.
Oh FFS, you actually think being anti-Trump means I'm somehow pro-Biden! I already told you "Anyone who would vote for either of those pieces of shit is severely lacking in judgement." Nothing about Biden is relevant to what Trump is. One of the stupidest things about how people vote is thinking it's a binary choice. My first ever vote for a president was for John Anderson, I hate BOTH parties and always have.

So you're a gun person. You think I'm anti-gun? What about my side-by-side .410, 20, 12, and 10 gauges, the over-and under 20 gauge Browning beauty, the 9 mm, the 1918 45, the 22 in pistol and rifle, the 38-40 from my grandfather that I blew up in a reloading insanity, the 300 Savage, the 454 Casull I could pass a flinch test in either hand, and the single-shot 50 BMG that utterly destroyed a Yugo I used as a target? I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-gun nut though, most of those mouthbreathing freaks scare the hell out of me.

'Badge of honor'? Good, go on thinking that. The levels of delusion behind supporting Trump are unbelievable. You'll never be able to wash it off. Your grandkids will be too embarrassed to admit their ancestry.
 
arg-fallbackName="BoganUSAFFLClerk"/>
You don't even realize how utterly muddled that all is do you? Or are you trying to demonstrate how free will is an illusion? It's a good way to do that, but what you're really sayin is it's NOT a choice, but in context, you're clearly implying it IS a choice:

And I think it's wrong, a LOT of gays would want to have kids if they could. That might be something they decide later in life, like a lot of hetero couples, but no gay is going to 'decide' he's straight later in life. 'Sub conscientiously'? You get to choose whatever you want to choose, that's free will, but do you get to choose what you want?
Do you consider an animal operating on instinct making a conscious choice when their actions are dictated by instinct? I don't. I equate them to be roughly equal therefore it is muddled.
Well, at least you admit you're a a hateful bigot, not many are so brazen as to say it so openly. But you ARE smearing gays. Remember when I said Einstein was a deviant and you replied "Generally something that is out of the ordinary is not beneficial although not necessarily." Einstein's intelligence was far more deviant than being gay. 'Deviant' is a loaded term, it exposes you're bigotry that you keep insisting on using it to describe gays when it would be more accurate to call mixed race marriages deviant since they're less common than homosexuality/ But then, you might object to mixed race marriages also. You're using 'deviant' and 'abnormal' to smear gays, unless you want to claim you go around describing anyone who is atypical in some way as abnormal and deviant.
Yes by definition - literal definition - they are abnormal and/or deviant.

Deviant: : someone or something that deviates from a norm especially : a person who differs markedly (as in social adjustment or behavior) from what is considered normal or acceptable.

Abnormal: : deviating from the normal or average

Hint: even the dictionary uses derivatives of DEVIANT in order to define what being abnormal is.
Oh surprise surprise, you have gay friends, that makes it all OK, I'm SO sorry I objected to you're obvious bigotry. You keep digging the hole deeper. You can't imagine what some kids have gone through, and saying they should 'just grow a spine' and 'don't be so sensitive'? FFS, you couldn't be any more INsensitive, and ignorant, to spew such hateful heartless BS.
Prove I hate gays.
Oh FFS, you actually think being anti-Trump means I'm somehow pro-Biden! I already told you "Anyone who would vote for either of those pieces of shit is severely lacking in judgement." Nothing about Biden is relevant to what Trump is. One of the stupidest things about how people vote is thinking it's a binary choice. My first ever vote for a president was for John Anderson, I hate BOTH parties and always have.
The U.S. election system pretty much relies on binary voting as voting for someone other than the two mainline party candidates is a waste of vote. Yes absolutely it is a binary choice. Anything else and you are voting on principle and not actually voting to elect anyone.
So you're a gun person. You think I'm anti-gun? What about my side-by-side .410, 20, 12, and 10 gauges, the over-and under 20 gauge Browning beauty, the 9 mm, the 1918 45, the 22 in pistol and rifle, the 38-40 from my grandfather that I blew up in a reloading insanity, the 300 Savage, the 454 Casull I could pass a flinch test in either hand, and the single-shot 50 BMG that utterly destroyed a Yugo I used as a target? I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-gun nut though, most of those mouthbreathing freaks scare the hell out of me.
That remains to be seen.
'Badge of honor'? Good, go on thinking that. The levels of delusion behind supporting Trump are unbelievable. You'll never be able to wash it off. Your grandkids will be too embarrassed to admit their ancestry.
Voting for Trump instead of the dreaded and notorious (even among the Democrats) Hillary Clinton? Good - no brainer. Voting for Trump instead of the made fun of worse Democratic equivalent to George Bush where even Obama said "Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up" caught on audio recording so even the Democrats didn't have much faith in Biden. Also a no brainer. The people that voted for Biden suddenly massively regret their decision voting for him judging from his approval numbers. His handling of everything has absolutely been a fuster cluck and the things he's claimed right was ultimately accomplished because of Trump - Operation Warp Speed for one.

Yes that is a credit not a detriment.
 
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People are hateful and judgement abounds that is human nature. I haven't said anything that is a smear. I have said things which are accurate:
1) LGBTQ are deviants by definition.
But the metric you are using to determine deviancy is not particularly useful for anything, unless your goal is to imply (passively) that one group should be preferred over another or 1 is more moral, better or whatever.

I know that is your goal because I used to do the same thing. Then I would say "Oh poor me, I haven't done anything except say gays are abnormal! I looked it up in the dictionary and that's what abnormal means!"
 
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