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    Are moral values objectively real?

    hackenslash, I suppose it wouldn't surprise me if it IS perfectly acceptable here to speak to your opponents the way you've spoken to me. But it's not the sort of environment I expected (particularly given the name "League of Reason"). I'm sorry that you think my way of speaking is comparable...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    Laurens says, "The person who says its okay to eat babies has to explain why they are justified in violating all of our collective ethical reasoning. If they can't then they cannot say that they have a good reason to do it." Or, they could turn it right back around on YOU, and ask why you're...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    MarsCydonia says, ""You don't doubt question the reality of your physical senses so why doubt the metaphysical sense I assert you have. If you doubt it, you're a liar. I don't have to provide evidence it exists" is the whole of your "argument" So you pretend that the above is not your...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    Laurens, the problem you run into when you think of morality that way, is that anyone who REJECTS the notion that human beings should flourish is every bit as correct as you are. And so on this view the child rapist is simply "acting unfashionably", as Craig has put it. If there's no right or...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    "Just because we're not aware of the thought process underlying our sensing of something doesn't mean that that process doesn't/hasn't occurred." He said that REASON was how he determined something was wrong, not merely cognition (which you're right, could be an instant of thought process we're...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    So all of a sudden, it's impossible to read what I typed? Hmmmm. Off-topic: Does this forum have a moderator? You know, to kind of deal with people who are just plain being hostile?
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    Dragan Glas says, "We have evidence of a physical reality, as we do of our physical senses" Where is the evidence then, Dragan? You can't appeal to the very physical senses you're trying to prove true; that would be a circular argument. And I've already responded to how evolution ties in with...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    Laurens, this isn't about what MAKES something right/wrong, but "reasoning" implies the assumption that human beings should thrive, so it is no better than the moral sense we typically appeal to. I flat-out reject the idea that when we're confronted with something like a case of child rape, we...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    Hello Laurens, I agree that there being no contradiction or incoherence in trusting our physical senses is part of why it's rational to do so. But the same could be said for morality. "Not only that but these senses do not contradict what other people report that they experience with their...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    "But are they really on trial here ?" If our "physical" senses are not on trial, then our moral senses shouldn't be either. That's the argument, in a nutshell. "It seems to me that the one putting forward such an argument is guilty of circular reasoning, not the one questioning it." Not at...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    You are now INTENTIONALLY misrepresenting my argument, because I've corrected you on this already. You say, ""You don't doubt question the reality of your physical senses so why doubt the metaphysical sense I assert you have. If you doubt it, you're a liar. I don't have to provide evidence it...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    Meanwhile, hackenslash, you posted a lengthy comment to complain that I'm not going to that link (whereas, again, you could've just summarized it here) and you've completely neglected to engage with ANY of the arguments and counterarguments I've given. Face it, if there were a good refutation...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    Hello Dragan Glas, thank you. "Why would we have "eyes" that are sensitive to particular wavelengths in the electro-magnetic spectrum as against others?" I'm not sure I understand your question, but the parallel of skepticism of our physical world is asking DO we have eyes. Are we justified...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    MarsCydonia says, "So to resume your argument: "You don't doubt your physical senses, so believe me when I say you have a metaphysical one for sensing objective morality. If you don't believe you have one, you're lying. I don't have to provide evidence". I'm convinced!" That's not my argument...
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    Are moral values objectively real?

    hackenslash, yes, you wanted me to chase an alleged refutation by clicking the link and then looking for what you could've easily typed up (if it were a sound refutation). momo666, it is the very reality of the same senses that TELL us we've evolved at all, that are on trial in that age-old...
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