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Recent content by Miracles4Real

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    Your Help Refuting a Blog

    A friend of mine started a blog called Fatalicy (like fatality and fallacy, cute?) where he tries to show how new atheism is undermining science. He says he wants some healthy debate, he wants his ideas discussed and viewed by atheists. So if you want some exercise untangling arguments of...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    Can you read again what I wrote? I really would not believe in God as a universal origin if you showed "that the finely tuned qualities I see in the universe were actually just emergent properties from a necessarily existent multiverse of universes, each with different laws and constants or that...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    My analogy of "little fairy people" was tongue n cheek, though I think you understood my point because of how you seemed to agree with what I was thinking later on. Let me try and make the analogy a little less fanciful: Maybe if we had normal sized people making symmetrical sculptures that...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    I hope I can end this now by pointing out, more directly what I've said several times by answering this question directly-Yes. Yes if I discovered that the finely tuned qualities I see in the universe were actually just emergent properties from a necessarily existent multiverse of universes...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    You really should watch the video. Those people who believed the world was flat and their shifting of the burden of proof! Those people who believed the sun revolved around the earth and their shifting of the burden of proof! Then they tried to propose crystal domes to account for the planet's...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    One of my favorite Atheist Youtubers is Ozmoroid. He did this great video on science taking whatever crazy wacky "woo" idea and then working to falsify it. Crazy ideas like turtles all the way down. Even Gods might be proposed. All can be intuited and proposed and then we can work to falsify...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    So when people talk to you, you don't actually listen to the words that they are saying. I mean this not to be mean, but I honestly think that maybe we shouldn't talk anymore. I don't know what it will get us. This is a very bad way to start a post. I'm not on a quest to convince anyone that...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    If I saw a snowflake and didn't know how ice crystals form so that they look like such perfectly symetrical little sculptures- Then I don't think it would be totally senseless and incoherent for me to say "Given the available information, I think this snow flake was made by very creative little...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    so anytime any scientest has ever said that order in the universe is, for them, evedence for a designer- it must be a quote mine or else he was talking out his ass. Got it. I've done all I'm willing to do to convince you that some scientists are theists. That some of them believe in God because...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    I suppose you could think of it as a place holding term for the order we see in the universe. A "for now" answer to the mystery as to why there are the laws and constants. Why everything seems so finely tuned like it does. So, in that, God is a useful term to describe an observable phenomenon...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    Again I said I know I've seen scientists speak on their motivations for pursuing science being a search for the mind of God. I said I could hunt for more but you said it would be moot- so I stopped. They are scientests who believe in God and they say that the order in the universe is what causes...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    Does proposing "Dark energy" without knowing what it is exactly, in order to account for the expansion rate of the universe- have all the same "problems" you mentioned?
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    I agree with you, scientists are not automatons. They do enjoy beauty, many of them are convinced there is a God and they have faith in things they have no hope of ever showing a scrap of empirical evidence for. They know that scientific questions are not the only valuable questions and they...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    I'm not sure why OFNF disagrees with the giraffe thing. a neck getting longer through this "arms race" with trees in a new environment does seem like a possible adaptation. I'm looking at bones of a Palaeotragus. I don't know why he doesn't concede that one. He implies that this nerve has a...
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    Discussion for AronRa and OFNF exclusive thread

    But what good is half of that strategy? An impenetrable wasp comes and this strategy has not yet evolved. Our bees are doomed! Evolution over. Or what if it has only evolved to some lesser extent, say a few bees only get on the wasp and start flapping. It isn't enough to have the outcome of...
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