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Is it possible to prove God doesn't exist?
- Thread starter Led Zeppelin
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Led Zeppelin
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You are predictable. And you behave the way God in the Bible explains how you chose to behave.
Dont know the Bible that well but let’s give @AronRa a shout because a killing onborn is in the bible.
ldmitruk
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What do the above have to do with existence of God.?
Led Zeppelin
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Please try to read up a bit. You only have to go back about 7 short posts.
Led Zeppelin
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Actually I was asking @*SD* . AronRa would never speak out against abortion or against exposing children to sexual perversion. He's a public figurehead of atheism.
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Abortion is the woman’s choice and no one else’s. Children and sexual abuse was is not the Christian Churches that did that and swept it under the rug for years and years. Christians are good in lectures but following the law there not that good in it.
Led Zeppelin
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Women are not pigs. Nether are men. But when you take away the rules about sex and marriage given to us by God in the Bible it's easy for politicians to convince you that abortion is your right.
It is evil for them to do that. They get your vote and all you get is a dead baby.
Well the Catholic Church began allowing homosexual priests as long as they made they same vow of celibacy (the idea of celibate priests goes against the bible) as the heterosexual men did. Most Catholics probably dont know this but not all Priests keep this vow. I actually have priests in my family and when it was found out that one of them had a girlfriend they would moved them to a far away church or have them teach seminary on the other side of the country. And unfortunately thats the same way they handled the homosexual priests who began to molest the young boys. I dont know if there was ever a problem of heterosexual priests molesting girls. The world generally seems to have a better system to protect young girls from heterosexual sex predators. But when you add homosexuality to the mix, it becomes more hard to defend children from predators.
This is one of the smartest things I have ever heard anyone say in my 10-15 years of being on this forum. Probably it deserves its own thread.
God did not give us the Bible if he did he would give us something that was more accurate. Abortion in the Bible was the right of the man if he suspected his wife from adultery he would go to the priest. The priest would give a potion that would start the abortion. The woman needed to say “Amen. So be it.” so she could not even object.
Yes religion is evil.
I know it happend in all denominations in all sorts of religions and worse instead of helping the children they tried to sweep it under the rug. Its easy to defend children against predators put them on trail when registered there world becomes smaller in the US plus some time in jail might help.
I went to a Christian school because the alternative was a school i did not like at all. But for me it was stories that where being tolled to make you feel good. I still like series that have some religion in them like “touched by an angel”. If you have a good church and i have seen this a few times they help each other, like an elderly woman that could not maintain here house and city fined here the church members helped. I wish we could tap into the resources the churches have then funding would be a breeze for the tree of life.
Led Zeppelin
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There is nothing like this in the Bible. I know a couple Atheist websites say that it says this somewhere in Numbers. But I know you havent read it yourself, else you wouldnt have posted this.
What is the name of that one website? AthiestSkepticBible.com maybe? I posted about it here before. Its full of errors.
Led Zeppelin
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Numbers 5 22 (Bible.com)
The term they use is miscarry because of the potion given by the priest.
You are correct i haven’t read it but it was in a podcast that i heard. In the Bible they call it “Bitter Water” it had stuff from the floor in it, but in the times they did this the floors where not so clean, most possible droppings of birds and so on.
The term they use is miscarry because of the potion given by the priest.
You are correct i haven’t read it but it was in a podcast that i heard. In the Bible they call it “Bitter Water” it had stuff from the floor in it, but in the times they did this the floors where not so clean, most possible droppings of birds and so on.
he_who_is_nobody
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Inducing a miscarriage is an abortion. There are dumb and harmful ways, like the Bible describes and there are safe ways, like Plan C pills.
I hope that the church is not doing this at the moment, there are indeed saver ways to do an abortion.
ldmitruk
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Never mind churches spreading misinformation on abortions, bad information on how to perform a self abortion is rapidly spreading over the internet.
Led Zeppelin
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Well I'll post it here in case you want to read it. I've shortened it a bit..
The Adultery Test
"11Then the LORD said to Moses, 12“Speak to the Israelites and tell them that if any man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13by sleeping with another man, and it is concealed from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she was not caught in the act), 14and if a feeling of jealousy comes over her husband and he suspects his wife who has defiled herself—or if a feeling of jealousy comes over him and he suspects her even though she has not defiled herself— 15then he is to bring his wife to the priest.
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The priest is to hold the bitter water that brings a curse. 19And he is to put the woman under oath and say to her, ‘If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become defiled while under your husband’s authority, may you be immune to this bitter water that brings a curse. 20But if you have gone astray while under your husband’s authority and have defiled yourself and lain carnally with a man other than your husband’— 21and the priest shall have the woman swear under the oath of the curse—‘then may the LORD make you an attested curse among your people by making your thigh shrivel and your belly swell. 22May this water that brings a curse enter your stomach and cause your belly to swell and your thigh to shrivel.’
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27When he has made her drink the water, if she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then the water that brings a curse will enter her and cause bitter suffering; her belly will swell, her thigh will shrivel, and she will become accursed among her people. 28But if the woman has not defiled herself and is clean, she will be unaffected and able to conceive children."
Actually I think most Bibles use a literal translation of "thigh to rot" and not "miscarry" or "shrivel".
"Thigh to rot" was thought by some to be a euphemism for miscarriage. I am a bit skeptical of this however because I believe this actually the only place in the Bible where you find this phrase, so I think in order to know what is exactly meant here, you would have to cross-reference the term with some other contemperanous Jewish source, outside of the Bible. And I dont think we have any such texts which would allow us to do that. Also Adultry does not always result in pregnancy and since this is supposed to be a test to provide either relief or punishment for a woman who was suspected of adultery by her husband then Im not sure how that would work....what if the woman wasnt pregnant or what if she was guilty but was pregnant with her husbands baby?
It must have something to do with conception at least, because it says If the woman is innocent then she will be unaffected and still able to have children. So for sake of argument I can grant you that miscarriage is also involved.
But there is nothing here which describes anything like what we have when people are talking about abortion. Else it would say something like;
"And God told the Israelites, If you dont want to keep the baby you can goto the priest and he will give you something to drink so the baby dies." And you and HWIN would support that! But you don't support what the scriptures actually say here. Atheists just kinda pretend that numbers 5 is a good reason for Christians to support abortion.
But in reality I think all it really shows is intellectual laziness on their part. I mean if I wanted to trick people into thinking that God doesnt care about unborn babies, Im sure I could do a much better job of it.
I mean why would God allow up to 70% of all unborn babies to die naturally to begin with? (though I just found that this number is debated now https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5443340/ it's a bit of a rabbit hole but you get my point)
