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21st Demon Lord said:
@Sparhafoc So .. you are kinda adverse to the general idea of learning from history and applying lessons from the past to the present?
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??

Does my post suggest that I am?

Rather, I would say that you can't learn how to deal with modern technical problems from examining the material culture of the Bronze Age.


21st Demon Lord said:
Oh and the way we completly routed out small pox was simple, we invested an unprecedented amount of money and send people literally to every door in every country to vaccinate people. That was especially important in Africa and South America, while people generally went to get vaccinated by themselfs in the first world.
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You started with the sentence 'the way we did it was simple' and then proceeded to show that it was anything but simple.


21st Demon Lord said:
Btw. I have a projected life span of 80 years, thats roughly 30.000 days, so the chance for me to die is 1 in 30.000 ... which means the chance for me to die today is so low, its irrelevant. Conclusion, I am immortal and never gonna die ;)
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While I agree with the sentiment, that's not how chance works.
 
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21st Demon Lord said:
Sparhafoc did completly deny that our thousands years of history of fighting pandemics is in any way useful for what we are facing today and he did state himself, that historians only deal in statistics earlier, rather than historical context ... so I do not think its an unfair question.
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Wow, it's amazing that I said all these things despite not remembering having written them and not being able to find any record of me writing them.


21st Demon Lord said:
Quote: "All an historian could tell us is how many people died in an historic epidemic." Just to make sure, that I am not being unfair.
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Well, you aren't remotely attempting a good faith argument given you've extracted a quote replying to a specific contention you made, and cited it absent that context as if I were making a general statement.

Despite having a life long passion for history, I don't recognize the discipline in anything you've said. I don't know why you believe what you believe, but I can't share that belief with you.


21st Demon Lord said:
Oh and we actually did send people to knock on doors, quite literally hack. Every freaking door on two continents. That was a monumental task unprecedented in history
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And it was 'simple'?
 
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Sparhafoc said:
Rather, I would say that you can't learn how to deal with modern technical problems from examining the material culture of the Bronze Age.
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It's funny, because I came up with an analogy involving a toolmaker from the Aeneolithic era advising us on how to wire a house because we use copper for it. Totally forgot it before I got there.
 
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@hackenslash Yeah .. it really looks I do lack the intellectual prowess to follow your line of thinking, I can only appologize for being unable to read your mind and comprehend the depth and sheer genius of what you are thinking.
Rather than writing.

Not even once did you mention, that you were only talking about the field of medicine and highly educated experts in the field and for some reason, you assumed, I would get that, without you even mentioning it?
At least I was talking generally and maybe its my fault, that I did not make that clear.
 
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Chew toy status awarded. Sorry, but I have no truck with discursive dishonesty. You're done.
 
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Let me tell you a secret .... I am not being the least bit dishonest.

I would even argue, that it is very honest of me, admitting that I did not get that you were talking about highly educated medical experts. Rather than the guys actually in charge of our pandemic responses.

I will even apologize for the little side swipe, but you did insult me a lot. So eat it.
 
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@Sparhafoc Yeah, judging from the exchange with Hackenslash, we might have been talking about completly different things, he seems to have gotten what you were talking about, I didnt.
Sorry about that.
 
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21st Demon Lord said:
Let me tell you a secret ....
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Let me tell you something that is very much not a secret:

I couldn't give a fuck what you have to say about your dishonesty. You're either dishonest or a moron. Your pick.
21st Demon Lord said:
I am not being the least bit dishonest.]
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Then you're a moron, rendering your contribution exactly as valuable as if you were being dishonest.
21st Demon Lord said:
I would even argue, that it is very honest of me, admitting that I did not get that you were talking about highly educated medical experts. Rather than the guys actually in charge of our pandemic responses.

I will even apologize for the little side swipe, but you did insult me a lot. So eat it.
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Fuck you, twat. That door is closed. You closed it.

Oh, and FYI, facts can't be insults.
 
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@hackenslash Thank you very much for your very honest reply, completly in good faith and without any insults or personal attacks.
I appreciate it and I bow before your intellectual prowess.
Best friends forever?

If you did not catch it .. that is what I actually sound like, when I am being dishonest.
 
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Alina Chan teams up with Matt Ridley to promote the lab leak conspiracy theory

Larry Moran said:
I'm curious about someting else. The book deal was signed less than six months ago so it's clear that Harper has rushed it into print. That's a lot faster than my book is taking and a lot faster than the books by several other scientists. My publisher insists on a rigorous review of my book to make sure the science is accurate and other scientists have had similar experiences. In my case, the reviews will take three months.
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Mask Up

Steven Novella said:
All of this is why masks are still important. We just have to accept the fact that face masks are now an important part of life. At least for the foreseeable future we will need face masks as a layer of protection in health care settings, large indoor crowds, among vulnerable populations, and for anyone who is symptomatic. Walking around in the public maskless, sneezing and coughing from a “cold” is no longer socially acceptable. If you want to avoid the mask in small or outdoor crowds and in gatherings of family and friends, then get fully vaccinated. But even then, there are some situations where masks provide an extra needed layer of protection.
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Does anyone have any information on pre-hospital treatment for people who test positive for covid and are actually at risk of dying from it?
 
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he_who_is_nobody said:
Mask Up
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It is ironic because the people that say mask up are caught precisely not doing what they recommend or support. Biden for example was caught multiple times eating out after supporting the idea of double masking and he wasn't even wearing one.

Got to stop wearing them sometime. Whatever happened to liberals complaining about trash waste? Green environment and all that.
 
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BoganUSAFFLClerk said:
It is ironic because the people that say mask up are caught precisely not doing what they recommend or support. Biden for example was caught multiple times eating out after supporting the idea of double masking and he wasn't even wearing one.

Got to stop wearing them sometime. Whatever happened to liberals complaining about trash waste? Green environment and all that.
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Yeah, mask wearing is important amd we should all do the best we can to follow the CDC reccomendations, but there's also the question of what an ordinary person can be reasonably expected to do and for how long.
 
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BoganUSAFFLClerk said:
It is ironic because the people that say mask up are caught precisely not doing what they recommend or support. Biden for example was caught multiple times eating out after supporting the idea of double masking and he wasn't even wearing one.
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First, citation needed. Second, one should listen to scientists and doctors for such a matter, not politicians anyways.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:
Got to stop wearing them sometime. Whatever happened to liberals complaining about trash waste? Green environment and all that.
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Non-sequitur.

Secular Theist said:
Yeah, mask wearing is important amd we should all do the best we can to follow the CDC reccomendations, but there's also the question of what an ordinary person can be reasonably expected to do and for how long.
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How long can an ordinary person with type 1 diabetes be expected to listen to their doctor? How long can ordinary people be expected to wear a seat belt while in a vehicle? You say this as if reasonable expectations are not already the norm for ordinary people.
 
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he_who_is_nobody said:
First, citation needed. Second, one should listen to scientists and doctors for such a matter, not politicians anyways.



Non-sequitur.



How long can an ordinary person with type 1 diabetes be expected to listen to their doctor? How long can ordinary people be expected to wear a seat belt while in a vehicle? You say this as if reasonable expectations are not already the norm for ordinary people.
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Right but I'm not talking about individuals following reccomendations from their doctors, I'm talking about entire populations following government mandates that disrupt the normal course of their lives.

Medically and scientifically it's a fact that if everybody stayed home as much as possible, kept their kids out of school, wore a mask *properly* when they went into a building or a crowd, got three individual vaccinations (depending on which version you got), kept six feet away from people, and diligently sanitized the surfaces they used after each use, the spread of the virus would be severely curbed.

But again, we have to ask what an average person can be reasonably expected to do and for how long.

The emergence of the virus was very sudden and these were major changes and disruptions that people were being asked to acclimate to, pretty much immediately. I think we can have a little bit of understanding as to why these measures might have been met with some push back, even if that push back is misinformed.

That's all I'm saying.
 
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Secular Theist said:
Right but I'm not talking about individuals following reccomendations from their doctors, I'm talking about entire populations following government mandates that disrupt the normal course of their lives.
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I (and the blog I linked to above) are also not talking about the government mandates but individuals following recommendations from scientists and doctors.

Secular Theist said:
But again, we have to ask what an average person can be reasonably expected to do and for how long.
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An average person can be expected to wear a mask if they feel sick and go out in public ('tis the point of the blog I linked above). An average person can also be expected to wear a mask during an active outbreak of a respiratory virus. Just like an average person can wear a seatbelt when in a vehicle.

Secular Theist said:
The emergence of the virus was very sudden and these were major changes and disruptions that people were being asked to acclimate to, pretty much immediately. I think we can have a little bit of understanding as to why these measures might have been met with some push back, even if that push back is misinformed.
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I honestly do not understand misinformed pushback. Would you accept that a person can drive drunk because they were misinformed about what could happen if they drive drunk?
 
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