Police Use of Force Analysis NSFW

I'm sorry Bogan, but I seriously do not understand how you are thinking. What seems to you as a victory, I think is really a tragedy.

Led Zeppelin said:

The irony here is that you're a fucking moron. You act like the cop is hero for shooting someone who it seems was passed out drunk in a car in a Burger King parking lot. The police in the US are idiots who kill Americans. Such a simple situation would not have resulted in a death in Germany.

Do you even realize someone in that video is dead now? That kid is dead now. What kind of monster are you?

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The thread says: "Police use of force Analysis NSFW". It does not say Hero or anything of the sort. This thread is to determine if police act correctly given the conditions placed upon them.

In the example you are currently contesting the police shot a man that refused to be arrested that committed a felony which in turn committed yet another felony when assaulting a police officer. A taser would incapacity the cop potentially. It is very foolish to allow someone to incapacitate you especially if you are armed - which is the case.

The person who died brought this ENTIRELY upon himself. Do you have any right to NOT be arrested by police when you are tested and found to be drunk? No. Do you have any right to escalate force against police when no condition of tyranny is made? No. Do you have any right to assault a police officer in this context? No. It is simple: the guy that is dead, is dead purely because of his own actions and the police acted within the scope of the law.

Remember in the U.S. citizens in the vast majority of the country can use LETHAL force if the threat of serious bodily harm is evident. A taser in this case and being incapacitated at the mercy of someone that is a felon or is committing felonious crimes in front of you would qualify. If it ever would come to a possibility of suspect disarming police that would be a forcible felony which warrants lethal force.

Would the suspect be arrested and granted all rights to him if he had been arrested as the police officers intended? Yes. The blame is squarely the on suspect - not the police.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

The thread says: "Police use of force Analysis NSFW". It does not say Hero or anything of the sort. This thread is to determine if police act correctly given the conditions placed upon them.

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I don't see any part in the full video that shows the police acted correctly. The officer behaved aggressively, knowing he himself was the only one in this situation who could bring lethal force. The officer also knew that even though the 27 year old American was only engaged in normal (but maybe stupid) human behavior, that the US Judicial system would possibly destroy his whole life. Just for sleeping in a parked car at Burger King. Maybe he was drunk, I dont know. Americans deserve better. I have seen similar situations handled much better in Europe.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

In the example you are currently contesting the police shot a man that refused to be arrested that committed a felony which in turn committed yet another felony when assaulting a police officer.

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I dont think it is a felony to be sleeping in a parked car in the US. Maybe it is now, thanks to people like you. Personally I think Americans having been dealing with problems like police brutality, the procedure of enforcement concerning stupid laws and judicial system which just does whatever it wants, for so long that they are just tired of it.

The guy in this video who refused to be arrested was the hero so many right-wingers in the US pretend to be. But you are really cowards.

Led Zeppelin said:

I don't see any part in the full video that shows the police acted correctly. The officer behaved aggressively, knowing he himself was the only one in this situation who could bring lethal force. The officer also knew that even though the 27 year old American was only engaged in normal (but maybe stupid) human behavior, that the US Judicial system would possibly destroy his whole life. Just for sleeping in a parked car at Burger King. Maybe he was drunk, I dont know. Americans deserve better. I have seen similar situations handled much better in Europe.

I dont think it is a felony to be sleeping in a parked car in the US. Maybe it is now, thanks to people like you. Personally I think Americans having been dealing with problems like police brutality, the procedure of enforcement concerning stupid laws and judicial system which just does whatever it wants, for so long that they are just tired of it.

The guy in this video who refused to be arrested was the hero so many right-wingers in the US pretend to be. But you are really cowards.

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DUI is many places in the U.S. is a felony. Sitting in your vehicle while drunk is still a DUI. Assaulting a police officer during a felony arrest also a felony. Are you suggesting the police shouldn't have done their jobs and arrest someone committing a DUI to begin with?

How should this be handled? Should you arrest someone under DUI? You haven't argued what should have happened.

Guess what legally you have no right to resist an unlawful arrest. You risk death if you resist - Fair warning.

You didn't even address the questions and answers I levied or even if you agreed with them.

Also I don't think the police were aggressive simply their job. If they chose not to do anything that would be malfeasance which the cop is on the hook for which is also a crime.

By the way on wiki it says: The Breathalyzer registered a blood alcohol level of 0.108%, above the legal limit of 0.08%. Which is a DUI.

Rayshard Brooks was a 27-year-old African American restaurant worker who lived in Atlanta. He had been married eight years and had three daughters and a stepson. In August of 2014, he was convicted and sentenced to a year in prison on four counts, including false imprisonment and felony cruelty to children. Two years later he was sentenced to an additional 12 months for violating his probation. In a February 2020 interview, Brooks discussed the two years he spent in prison and his difficulties after being released, such as difficulty finding work. A driving under the influence conviction or drug possession conviction could have led to revocation of his probation and a return to prison.

This is why he fought back because a DUI charge regardless if it was a felony or not would send him back to jail under his previous arrest record. The guy was a scumbag no loss.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

DUI is many places in the U.S. is a felony. Sitting in your vehicle while drunk is still a DUI. Assaulting a police officer during a felony arrest also a felony. Are you suggesting the police shouldn't have done their jobs and arrest someone committing a DUI to begin with?

How should this be handled? Should you arrest someone under DUI? You haven't argued what should have happened.

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All polices officers should know by now that the US Judicial system is broken. I expect them to act accordingly and to treat people like human beings. Even if this means putting their own lives at risk, to spare Americans from this broken system. After all, much of the blame for this sad state of affairs lays on the officers themselves. For being blind enforcers of an obviously broken system.

As I said, the cop should have just gave the kid a ride home. It doesnt seem there were any banks being robbed at the time so I'm sure the officer time to for it. They get paid enough to do things like that.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

Guess what legally you have no right to resist an unlawful arrest. You risk death if you resist - Fair warning.

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Oh ok. Thank you, Adolf Hitler!

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

Also I don't think the police were aggressive simply their job. If they chose not to do anything that would be malfeasance which the cop is on the hook for which is also a crime.

By the way on wiki it says: The Breathalyzer registered a blood alcohol level of 0.108%, above the legal limit of 0.08%. Which is a DUI.

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I'm sorry. My brain is not letting me give 2 fucks about any of this.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

Rayshard Brooks was a 27-year-old African American restaurant worker who lived in Atlanta. He had been married eight years and had three daughters and a stepson. In August of 2014, he was convicted and sentenced to a year in prison on four counts, including false imprisonment and felony cruelty to children. Two years later he was sentenced to an additional 12 months for violating his probation. In a February 2020 interview, Brooks discussed the two years he spent in prison and his difficulties after being released, such as difficulty finding work. A driving under the influence conviction or drug possession conviction could have led to revocation of his probation and a return to prison.

This is why he fought back because a DUI charge regardless if it was a felony or not would send him back to jail under his previous arrest record. The guy was a scumbag no loss.

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These all sound to me like bullshit charges. One crazy drunk girl friend with kids is all it takes to ruin your life.

Besides, the only reason the state let him out of prison early is so they could extort money from him.

Rayshard Brooks was the hero many so called right-wingers or "patriots" in the US wish they could be. But they are too pussy. Don't you ever dare try to put the name of that brave American man down.

Led Zeppelin said:

All polices officers should know by now that the US Judicial system is broken. I expect them to act accordingly and to treat people like human beings. Even if this means putting their own lives at risk, to spare Americans from this broken system. After all, much of the blame for this sad state of affairs lays on the officers themselves. For being blind enforcers of an obviously broken system.

As I said, the cop should have just gave the kid a ride home. It doesnt seem there were any banks being robbed at the time so I'm sure the officer time to for it. They get paid enough to do things like that.


Oh ok. Thank you, Adolf Hitler!


I'm sorry. My brain is not letting me give 2 fucks about any of this.

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It WAS a DUI - you asked.

Led Zeppelin said:

Rayshard Brooks was the hero many so called right-wingers or "patriots" in the US wish they could be. But they are too pussy. Don't you ever dare try to put the name of that brave American man down.

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So called heroes get drunk and escalate violence? That is what a hero is?

Led Zeppelin said:

Rayshard Brooks was the hero many so called right-wingers or "patriots" in the US wish they could be. But they are too pussy. Don't you ever dare try to put the name of that brave American man down.

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The guy was a repeat felon he's a piece of shit.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

It WAS a DUI - you asked.

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I didn't see him driving anywhere in the video. But I know....you think police should put Americans in jail for drunk driving, regardless if they were driving or not!

Led Zeppelin said:

I didn't see him driving anywhere in the video. But I know....you think police should put Americans in jail for drunk driving, regardless if they were driving or not!

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How did the car get to the fast food parking lot I wonder? He DROVE it there, passed out in line, then DROVE it to a parking space. His blood alcohol level was at DUI levels even after sleeping it off for who knows how long. If the police got there sooner the BALC would be higher not lower. He did drive there he is drunk. Yes that is a DUI and yes he should be arrested for it. This dude is a scumbag and the world won't miss him.

Why did you/he shoot me? Why did you take off dragging the cop 50 ft? Make stupid moves win stupid prizes. Why do people think they can just leave a traffic stop? Could have easily ended with the dude dying but what is aggravating is the dude didn't know what he did wrong - low IQ.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

This dude is a scumbag and the world won't miss him.

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Was he really a worse of a guy than Donald Trump or Joe Biden? Or anyone else for that matter?

This kid had his own special things that he liked and thought about to himself that made him special to God. Even if you are an Atheist, I can't think of any good reason to judge people so hard, like you are doing.

Led Zeppelin said:

Was he really a worse of a guy than Donald Trump or Joe Biden? Or anyone else for that matter?

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I don't remember Trump or Biden making deliberate attempts at dragging people around with a car and being under threat of death because they didn't want to get fined or even written a warning. The criminal the video is far worse considering his options compared to Trump or Biden.

Led Zeppelin said:

This kid had his own special things that he liked and thought about to himself that made him special to God. Even if you are an Atheist, I can't think of any good reason to judge people so hard, like you are doing.

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People make judgements against and for people daily. I think my criticism is fair:

Dude in the video is a moron because he could someone over simple window tint and possibly a fine.

Most debates basically revolve around judgement. Considering the title of the thread Police Use of Force Analysis you don't think that is a thread purely about judgement? If not then I think you in the wrong thread man.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

Dude in the video is a moron because he could someone over simple window tint and possibly a fine.

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The cops are morons for wasting there time being "road pirates". People are getting tired of it. I don't blame them.

I think it's natural for anyone who is confronted by a "road pirate" in the US to automatically feel like their life might be in danger. So I can't really see how we can blame Americans for trying to escape from them.

Led Zeppelin said:

The cops are morons for wasting there time being "road pirates". People are getting tired of it. I don't blame them.

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Define road pirate.

Led Zeppelin said:

I think it's natural for anyone who is confronted by a "road pirate" in the US to automatically feel like their life might be in danger. So I can't really see how we can blame Americans for trying to escape from them.

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Do you want the police to enforce the law or not?

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

Define road pirate.

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A road pirate would be any assclown that collects revenue for the state by imposing fines on people who use the road, by enforcing arbitrary regulations no one gives two fucks about.

Police officers are the sort of assclowns which may also be referred to as "road pirates".

Led Zeppelin said:

A road pirate would be any assclown that collects revenue for the state by imposing fines on people who use the road, by enforcing arbitrary regulations no one gives two fucks about.

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Which regulations are arbitrary?

Led Zeppelin said:

Police officers are the sort of assclowns which may also be referred to as "road pirates".

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Keep in mind I making the argument in terms of context with regards to the video we went over.

"Should we enforce DUI law?" "Is DUI enforcement necessary?"

Yes to both counts. They should enforce the law and if you are too stupid and or lazy to follow those then I don't mind if they arrest you. Now if you want to forcibly resist and present serious bodily harm to anyone then I think its fine to shoot said criminal.

BoganUSAFFLClerk said:

Which regulations are arbitrary?

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How about the one you just mentioned concerning window tint. Has anyone on gods green earth ever once ask for a law concerning window tint, who didnt work for the government? It's just something they made up so that the road pirate assclowns can rob money from us.

Then when we try to get away from the maniac road pirates that want to arrest us or take our money because of window tint, you are happy to have them shoot us dead.

You're a great American.