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Yes yes, I must be completly insane ... no way in hell I posses the mental capacity for being hyperbolic.
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Oh no, I am fine with anything I write being criticised, but hacken has repeatably attacked me personally and insulted me.
That I am not fine with and that is what I am calling out.
Take our exchanges for example, sure, we are faaaaar from seeing eye to eye, partly I suspect, thanks to my style of trying to convey my thoughts, but ultimatly, it has been completly civil. It might help though, if you assumed I at least have a high school education.
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A- Guns have only one purpose and that is to kill human beings.
B- Hunters are an exception.
B directly contradicts A.
A states there is one solitary purpose whereas B provides a second purpose.
You're allowed to pick one - not both.
A- No one is getting shot in Germany.
B- Very few people are getting shot in Germany compared to other countries.
B directly contradicts A.
A states no one gets shot in Germany whereas B acknowledges that people get shot in Germany.
You're allowed to pick one - not both.
A- No one gets murdered, it can't happen to you
B- Statistically your chances are much higher of dying of something else
B directly contradicts A.
A states that it's impossible to be the victim of a murder whereas B acknowledges that by having less chance of being murdered than you do of dying some other way that your chance of being the victim of a homicide is not zero.
You're allowed to pick one - not both.
By 'not allowed to' I don't mean that I am forbidding you. I mean that the universe cannot allow 2 contradictory things to be simultaneously true. If it were possible for direct contradictions to both be true, then I have no idea how the world works, how people communicate with each other, how ideas can ever form, just everything... absolutely everything is nonsensical and incoherent.
But of course, that's not how the universe is.
This is basic logic. Please furnish your mind with the concept of the law of non-contradiction.
If you are innocently wondering why your apparently reasonable statements are prompting such unexpected rejection and you think everyone else is being over the top.... then it's time for you to grow, in this case, by grasping a foundational quantity of logic.
You can deflect again, pretend I am being mean or something... I don't care. If you refuse, I wash my hands of trying and will just laugh at further iterations of asinine bullshit.
B- Hunters are an exception.
B directly contradicts A.
A states there is one solitary purpose whereas B provides a second purpose.
You're allowed to pick one - not both.
A- No one is getting shot in Germany.
B- Very few people are getting shot in Germany compared to other countries.
B directly contradicts A.
A states no one gets shot in Germany whereas B acknowledges that people get shot in Germany.
You're allowed to pick one - not both.
A- No one gets murdered, it can't happen to you
B- Statistically your chances are much higher of dying of something else
B directly contradicts A.
A states that it's impossible to be the victim of a murder whereas B acknowledges that by having less chance of being murdered than you do of dying some other way that your chance of being the victim of a homicide is not zero.
You're allowed to pick one - not both.
By 'not allowed to' I don't mean that I am forbidding you. I mean that the universe cannot allow 2 contradictory things to be simultaneously true. If it were possible for direct contradictions to both be true, then I have no idea how the world works, how people communicate with each other, how ideas can ever form, just everything... absolutely everything is nonsensical and incoherent.
But of course, that's not how the universe is.
This is basic logic. Please furnish your mind with the concept of the law of non-contradiction.
If you are innocently wondering why your apparently reasonable statements are prompting such unexpected rejection and you think everyone else is being over the top.... then it's time for you to grow, in this case, by grasping a foundational quantity of logic.
You can deflect again, pretend I am being mean or something... I don't care. If you refuse, I wash my hands of trying and will just laugh at further iterations of asinine bullshit.
Except, of course, for when those criticisms blow your ill thought out positions clean out of the water. Except for those times.
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Have I, in any way, complained about that SD? Is there actually any indictation that that fazes me in any way?
On the contrary, there are actually a lot of complaints about me being completly unfazed by that.
On the contrary, there are actually a lot of complaints about me being completly unfazed by that.
Below every post exists a "report" button. If you feel a post is inappropriate for whatever reason, you are free to use that function the same as everyone else is and the report will be viewed and decided upon fairly quickly. I'm not the only administrator here, but being self employed allows me to be on the forum very frequently.
However, this is not a creche, someone calling you a twat is just something that happens sometimes and isn't explicitly against the rules you agreed to when you joined the forum. You're free to call them a bigger twat if you like. Or a bum head. Or a stinky poo poo face. Almost anything you like really, just keep it to one side of unwritten lines practically everyone agrees on.
Greg the Grouper
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I'm glad I was busy flying to Miami.
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Why would you need to guess. That's a comment about how your behaviour impacts my assessment of you, which is a simple statement of fact. Statements of fact cannot be insults. That you might feel slighted or insulted is once again not my problem. Do continue to make the whole thread about your butthurt, though.
Whether you've complained about it is irrelevant. Complaint isn't the only means of manifesting a problem with it. You might, oh, I dunno, shift the goalposts, or wriggle and squirm with semantic sidebars and issues of scope and scale rather than just acknowledging that you're completely out of your depth in discursive terms.
Greg the Grouper
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To be honest, it might be worthwhile to edit the ToS such that no one has permission to call someone else a stinky poo poo face.
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I do not see an exception as a contradiction.
"Killing people is wrong. Except in self defense."
"I do not drink. Except at weddings."
I was being hyperbolic. You know, the thing with assuming I at least have a high-school education? Using rhetorical devices seems to upset people around here it seems .. I mean, do you honestly assume, anyone that can type barely straight on the internet, would ever, seriously state either?
Uhm .... yeah .. totally not how the universe is. Humans are completly logical beings that do not contradict themselfs. <- Irony
Oh no, I do have figured out by now, that rhetorical devices and humor do not work here ... like at all. A pity, since my style of writing is heavily influenced by satire.
The thing is, I do not care about being proper and concise, on the contrary, I like to be hyperbolic and a bit absurd at times, which normally makes it muuuuch easier to get a point across. Obviously not working.
Around here? Nope, the general idea does not seem to matter at all, unless its presented in the right form. And I do not do form, so feel free to completly dismiss me out of hand, no need to waste your time anymore, since I certainly will not meet your standarts.
That's ok - it's entirely your right to do so.
Don't take it personally, I always come across as arrogant and condescending.
Of course though, it would also help if you could present thoughts that were actually coherent rather than so obviously flawed, and that you were open to actually addressing the flaw in your reasoning rather than erecting further flawed contentions and spiraling further and further away from reason just to not acknowledge your error.
An exception is NECESSARILY a contradiction to an absolute.
If you are unable to agree to that, then honestly I can't see as there's ever any chance of expecting you to be able to engage in any form of reasoned discourse.
It's patently absurd, and I find it very difficult to believe that you aren't aware of that.
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You do know what "cunt" means dont you?
And no, I will not take your insults without calling you out for them ... you can always stop though or apologize.
So if you were being hyperbolic and it was challenged on factual grounds, why did you double-down on the hyperbole?
I make no assumption therein as to the extent of your education.
There are no rhetorical devices apparent in any of the arguments I'm referring to.
What you appear to now be saying is that your original claims were patently absurd so we all should have realized you didn't actually mean what you said.
Is that where we're going now. I would appreciate a direct answer to this.
Let me offer you yet another helping hand in the comprehension department.
If I say to you "stop being a twat" - it doesn't actually mean I am saying you are a twat, I am saying that your current behavior is twattish and that you should therefore stop it lest people start to consider the epithet appropriate.
Where are your obligations in the above scenario?
Hackenslash apologizes for calling you out for your behavior, albeit in a way you don't like.
Are you thereby obliged to apologize for any perceived twattish behavior?
It's not like Hackenslash just called you a name out of the blue - it was as a result - clearly stated so - of your behavior.
Don't get me wrong; I am not saying I oblige you to do this - I couldn't give a rat's chuff either way!
But I think it's a bit rich making demands when you don't appear willing to address the real reason for peoples' reaction, instead concocting false positions on their behalf. One can assume unintentional naivety for only so much, but other actions can suggest that the motivation is less simple and thereby induce people to feel justified in reaching for other explanations.
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You do know that 'cunt' wasn't the only word in that sentence, don't you?
I reject your premise as unfounded.
See, for me this is a substance-less response.
As a gag line prior to addressing the point you're supposedly replying to.... fine.
But to stop there, and to drop in a gag in place of addressing an exposition of the flawed reasoning you've employed seems like distraction or evasion. Again, not appealing to malice yet, but perhaps there's a chance that you are distracting yourself or evading acknowledging it yourself rather than trying to distract others.
I am not convinced you know what a rhetorical device is if you contend that you've clearly been using them.
I am sure though you can actually point to said rhetorical devices that we all somehow overlooked.
And the humor thing... sorry, my charity is running out here. You are starting to seem rather too concerned.
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I didnt, I went to sleep shortly after and didnt bring it up ever since. Seemed pointless.
And nah, thats not were I going now, going nowhere actually, except clarifying at least that one misunderstanding.
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This is entirely why you keep butting heads. You make a preposterous statement like this in a thread containing oodles of humour and rhetorical devices, not least my comment about you firing blanks, which was an instance of both, and well received. Or the example in the post immediately prior to this one, wherein @psikhrangkur delivered another falsifying twofer.
In case you're not getting it yet, it's really fucking stupid to make unsupportable categorical statements like this. You'll get pulled up every single time without fail, because we've all spent years training ourselves to look for exactly that.
It's possible to be accurate, and still employ rhetorical devices and even be funny without talking bollocks.